Finding Purpose in Life After Australian Survivor | Jordan Schmidt

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Jordan Schmidt Jordan was a recent contestant on The Survivor Series blood versus water how would you describe what it's really like versus how the public perceive it you see how people at the start everybody's smiling and everyone's like cool and you just see people start to deteriorate they start cracking they're losing weight they're just getting frustrated at everything I would say anyone go on Survival prepare to go to work when it all happened I was 5 and she called the house and I was speaking

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to her on the phone she's like going on and she just started boiling her eyes out the hardest part about it is I remember being I think I was six and I remember opening the bathroom door and and like and my mother was you know this has happened but I'm not going to let this Define me Jordan Schmidt welcome man thank you brother thank you it's good to be here excited to have you on man you've got a remarkable story and just diving onto YouTube and having look at what you did on Survival was a ton of fun one of the

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things was like eating beans for like what was it 40 39 or 40 days straight yeah I think it was 39 we'll claim 40 but I just 30 39 days mate just beans and rice bro does beans and rice man so my question is do you still eat rice and beans but to be fair I actually still Hammer rice bro and and beans that's I I had PTSD for a little bit in all honesty I actually I actually just had breakfast with the cam and I just demolished like my food after that bro I actually eat that fast because I don't want to like

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not starve again so like definitely still smash rice and beans and I actually eat a lot more now which is which is crazy and and I was re recently watching a there's a show called Outlast I don't know if you've seen it and people they go out to like Alaska and they like break off into the teams and you just watch people over the period of a month just completely deteriorate mentally emotionally and and like you know food's something I guess we take for granted but it really plays on your

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mindset but you know on the Survivor set man like what what was that experience like for you to have to I guess change how you kind of do everything and eat like that we take so much for granted like and we also have more than we need like when you when you actually get onto Survivor like you go from coffees every day to Uber Eats to like all the Creature Comforts that we all have and then g into a primal state so how our ancestors would have lived or and then you just just hit your system so hard so

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the first couple of weeks man like as soon as I got there feeling the Heat and not having coffee I was having massive headaches like couldn't sleep like I was getting huge withdrawals and then surprisingly once it kicked into about 21 days because usually it's about 21 days to know shift once it Ki clicked into 21 days but it was amazing one of the best feelings ever like my skin cleared up I was my Cadian Rhythm was solid so I was sleeping really well and you know you just felt in flow with like

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with nature it's like cuz we're so disconnected it was just actually crazy to get into flow like that and it was an amazing feeling being a caveman being a Savage like it was pretty cool and and so was like CU it was in Outback Australia so where where exactly were you guys and what were like the conditions that you were living in so we were in Charter Towers so 100K Inland from Townsville so we were just Bush so literally dry but then there was also some really beautiful like rivers and volcanic rock um was actually a

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really nice part of Australia like really nice part obviously we couldn't we didn't have phones or anything to Instagram [ __ ] but like we where we were actually going in a lot of the places was beautiful like it actually shows you too like how nice some of like Australia is like the hidden parts and in terms of the weather we'll get about 35° during the day and then it'll drop to 4 16 at night so during the day we're just melting and then at night time we're just sleeping on the sand in like 16° so

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shivering so you'd have to like spoon people and [ __ ] like that just try to like full survive but yeah but your body is that smart it just adapts like really just literally start to get used to it what do you think was like one of the first things you learn about yourself as as you going through this transition of kind of detoxing reality and transitioning into living in like this arid kind of situation I think I realized how out of alarm I was and how distracted I was so the challenge I've

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survived I didn't obviously with my story like you guys have heard what I've been through and obviously what work through and stuff like that the challenge itself physically and mentally I wasn't even nervous and I was just confident about it but then once I got in there I realized how clouded my mind was how out of alarm I was like I wasn't on Mission I wasn't on purpose and survivor really gave me an opportunity to not be with my phone not be in situations I shouldn't be in environment

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it sort of forced me out of it and it actually just really got my mind to click at a level that I hadn't clicked in since my brother or since sport or anything like that and it was just that was the biggest takeaway for me like the depth of thinking that I was able to get to again and the clarity which is something I'm still trying to trying to chase after um cuz it's just something it's just a feeling that was just insane like I can't really you know it's such a simple lifestyle and so clear like yeah

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man that's probably that was probably the biggest takeaway for me I know it's a bit of a deep answer there but no I like it man you rais a couple good points because I think you know we get so hooked on our phones we get hooked on like whether it's gaming or Netflix or just socializing with friends and you know here you are with no technology and you're kind of left with your thoughts yeah yeah and so you are on the season blood vers water and essentially it's where people played with a partner y was

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that the first time Survivor did that I think they've done it in the US once okay and then Australian Survivor is the first one so yeah yeah and and it was more like okay you either go in with a family member or you go in as a couple or you go in with a friends how do you think playing with your cousin Josh shaped your experience it was definitely a different base like we're very fortunate like Josh and myself we're like brothers the way our family is raised like there was six boys we all

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grew up together Josh and I went through you know the storm went through rugby so we were it's pretty much like going in with your brother like so we were we had a really like we were confident cuz we're very different and we know each other like we just know each other we know each other's strengths we know each other's weaknesses so we're like our first thing when we're going in we're like oh man we're going to have to wrestle each other and we did and I got him a few times but he's but we sort of

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were like already just like collaborative and like like bro this is what we're going to do we're going have to be physical like we're going to have to be solid and just get after it it does change the game a bit though because then you've got to take into account like what you're doing will it impact them or will their game impact you so you can't be as I think if I went in alone I'd be a bit more ruthless just cuz like you're not having to like manage you know the relationships of

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does that make sense like yeah you're not having to watch out for them as well um understand at the end of the show it gets to a certain point where there's a council so essentially up until a point you're kind of like I guess attacking people or trying to get them voted out or you're trying to like play with their mind there's like mind games and pranks and all this kind of stuff and then in the last component it's like they get voted off then they go on a council and then they vote who should who should win

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yeah so you're playing this weird game where you're trying to I guess you know betray people and then you're trying to win them back and convince them to give you a million bucks right it's literally yeah man it's a mind [ __ ] like Survivor is like literally there's so many ways like you know there's you know there's so many ways to skin a cat like that's Survivor like you you either go heavy strategic you go heavy [ __ ] whatever like lie or you're really nice like

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there's so many angles you're physical you're not physical like you connect with people like there's so many ways to do it and like like you said then that's the hardest part too like if you're Burning Bridges all the way through and then you get to the last part you know you're not you're not gonna win it like so you got to play like such a crazy game and you know we were you know we were getting like pretty close to the end like we like we were in the top six and then they had this massive Advantage

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come through and then ends up getting smoked by two of them what was it what was the advantage that they got we're at the Survivor auction so it's when you you know have you guys seen the Survivor auction you bid for food yeah yeah yeah so me like a they have like really cool options and really shitty options and you're like try toy with what you can get yeah bro what were some of the options that you guys had oh bro I cooked it like I spent I had 500 bucks and I was just by this point I was down

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to like 83 kilos so I was melting away like usually I'm 96 and I was melting away and I the Palmer and the beer came up and I'm like [ __ ] 500 bucks the whole budget not strategic at all like like literally we're in the business end and it's like [ __ ] go for the pmer in the beer so I'm like Jonathan 500 like I'll eat it [ __ ] ass Palmer too like terrible but I was so hungry like sh the beer and then like there was palas there was pies but bro when you see stuff like that out

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there when you're starving [ __ ] my mouth was like watering like I was like Jesus like I need to get this and got you man they tripped you up oh bro yeah just just they got me bad bro food is just like my weakness bro they have like all the Aussie Classics so for those listening abroad a Palmer is like a kind of like a crumbed fried chicken with some like sauce like tomato sauce and a beer yeah oh let's clear something up too you guys like obviously were in Sydney so like are you are you py or

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Palmer I I I dude I always called it a pomy [ __ ] because I'm from Queensland wait what yeah I'm from Queensland what they don't call it pmies out there do they yeah it's it's like a what what is what he got M it's a thing man so like we debate like what the origin of like the slang for the meal is and it's either a pomy or a Pama but in Queensland it's always a pomy but isn't it's Pama genre isn't it or you P me genre well that's a good point that's a really good she makes a lot of

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sense [ __ ] going to get into that so anyway so Pama no um then there was like so the auction's always like it's always a dangerous one cuz you either go for the food or you wait but sometimes if you're waiting you got 500 bucks to spend you might not get anything or you might get a very B Advantage um and one of the one of the ladies in their KJ she she got this Advantage where we didn't know um cuz we were sort of we had a bit of control at that point so our alliance was pretty strong so we formed an

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alliance with like Mark Wales and like guys like that and we're just trying to stick together because usually the strong guys get absolutely destroyed straight away so we're like Let's Stay Together and see how far we can go so anyway I bought the Palmer a few of other guys bought other things and KJ bought I think a tea but because you don't see everything like she bought a tea and there's like an advantage in there and then yeah a couple of I think it was like a tribal after that we went

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into the tribal and the advantage he had was to send three of our guys back to tribal uh back to the camp yeah so she sent three of ours out and I was left there and straight away I was like I'm [ __ ] I was like I'm in trouble but my cousin had the necklace too so we still kick ourselves over this he had the immunity necklace and because we weren't thinking he didn't hand it to me so you're allowed to hand it on so and I'm sitting there he's gone with a necklace and I was like sort of cooked because I

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was like still tired like you exhausted in those tribals like they M they those tribals are cooked that's like the old wish that upon anyone that's the worst thing ever so you're like I was sitting in the Tribble and once he walked off I was like a dawned on me I'm like finally woke up I'm like [ __ ] I'm just going to have to go swing in here so I just started swinging for the Pence so explain explain the tribal for the for the listeners so tribal council is pretty much where it's where you go to

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like cast votes to send people home um at the start of the game you've obviously got two tribes when you do challenges and stuff like that so you do challenges and the losing tribe goes to tribal counsel and that's how you sort of weed out all the people so at the start you want your tribe to win as much as you can so that you're staying away from Tribal Council you can also win food and stuff like that as well but then as you get into merge like you're just go to tribal all the time and

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that's when the game really kicks in cuz that's when you're playing a really social game really strategic so it goes from like a win the challenge kind of you know using brute strength or putting puzzles together to like psychological warfare yeah yeah yeah bro it's like bro you actually you'd love it bro you should jum I I used to watch a lot I think I watched like season 789 in the US and I always like the villains yeah like yeah I'd be that guy I'd be the one like would you be a villain reckon yeah

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I reckon I'd be thr everyone socks out I reckon it' bring out the absolute worst than me cuz I'm extremely competitive and I'm just I want to win yeah no that's that's good though but i' I'd play my cards I think i' I'd be very psychological about it but that's good because that's very like that's the best thing about Survivor though because it's like you can really you just you actually I just wanted to touch on something you just said actually it

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actually shows human nature whatever your hidden character strengths are what I notice at magnifies them on either a good level or bad level so like you will notice people just hit another level the unreal people and then you'll see other people be the absolute [ __ ] biggest [ __ ] yeah it reminds me of like like all of like those like end of the world movies where people it's like people just turn crazy and I think it's like we all have that Reptilian Brain that's just like pure survival mode so for you

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what was some of the psychological challenges that that you had thrust upon you from other people and then what were some of the things that you maybe did in retaliation or other games that you tried to play with others I was a complete BR I was actually like the opposite like obviously some people so in terms of behavior traits and stuff what we saw is a lot of people that had you know hadn't come from a sporting background or obviously you know hadn't been through much what we did notice with them is they would crack

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like they would be like they would eat everyone's food they would complain constantly they would just be the [ __ ] like little kids like and it was just actually crazy like they were just constantly complaining and it's like bro we're all here like everyone's struggling and then what you notice with the guys that have sort of been through a bit or been in sport or whatever do you know we were we were giving away food to people we were calm we were just really like at peace because it just

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felt peaceful like if that makes sense meanwhile they gone through meanwhile yeah you know this is the end it's like you got Danny McBride's like crew like over there and then like have you seen this at the End movie yeah yeah you like the Danny McBride's over there they're all going nuts like his crew and then all of us are just like chilling chilling and relaxing having fun but you do see that's a pretty cool part you do see human nature like you know you see how people at the start everybody's

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smiling and everyone's like cool and you just see people start to deteriorate like they start cracking like they're losing weight like they're just getting frustrated at everything like they and you just like like yeah you can't hold it for long man and I think people like see it on television and they you know like I saw a meme somewhere where B there's a photo of be grills like eating a m bar in the jungle and people think it's all like mass produced and like he's next to a car park or something

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like that but for you guys you're actually out in the middle of nowhere you know there is a production team around you but from our conversations you're not allowed to talk to each other and it's it's they're trying to create as realistic of a survival scenario as possible like how would you describe what it's really like versus maybe how the public perceive it I would say that how the public perceives it like every there's always like you always have the jokes like it's pretty funny like people

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like I bet there's like a massive food trailer there and there's like a hotel and stuff man there ain't [ __ ] there like survival is like and I'm being completely honest like it was way harder than I expected like I thought it was one of them as well I'm like go they could be you know surely they give us food if we're starving no you don't get [ __ ] bro you're like starving a de like you and it's like oh maybe you get a pillow or n you're just on the sand like on your backpack

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getting headaches like and it's hot and obviously they've got they've got medic and stuff but the Medics aren't close like Medics are over here and you've got camera crews around you but you can't speak to them but then at night time there's any one camera there's no camera crew around you it's just you at the camp and then there might be a medical tent ages away that they just walk you onto but no it's a lot it's it's difficult so I would say anyone going on

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Survivor like you know prepare to like prepare to go prepare to go to war man like hectic yeah what what do you think was like maybe a psychological trait that came out from you that you might not have expected um I think it just more more I think it's it enhanced a few of my traits if that makes sense so you know my competitive trait sort of came back to when I was like playing like a high level that sort of clicked back into gear but then I was also very very calm as well so I did I wouldn't overact to anything I

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just sort of sit there and smile joke around talk [ __ ] to people I think it sort of enhanced a lot of like my cousin Josh said this to me and this really hit me like pretty hard obviously a lot of the things that have happened and stuff like that Josh goes bro like this is the first time I've ever seen you like yourself again and that actually was really I really started crying when he told me that cuz it been so long since I actually felt like that like from when like my brother was around to playing a

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good level of sport to feeling really good Survivor sort of gave me that thing and Josh who's known me my whole life he's like bro I haven't seen you like this in years and sort of that hit me really hard so I'm getting a bit um that like you know that's from 17 all the way to I was 30 29 when I went on the show yeah so for him to say that to me he's like I was like [ __ ] man like it just really rig knited a lot of my strongest traits yeah which so being being like really contained and put under pressure

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being reflective having to kind of find ways to entertain yourself and not have your go-to devices like food or technology to entertain you or distract you you were really kind of sitting with yourself for for like a month and a half essentially yeah yeah so I took being um tortured out in the outback to to reconnect to myself so I'd recommend and so you talked about the nature component which was like you know it was really good to get in tun with nature and I think a lot of people talk about this but then might not have

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experienced it or or completely understand it like how can nature provide mental Clarity for people and how did being on Survivor actually give that to you just being outside and like being your nature nature just provides like it just helps you become present like when you're out in nature and you're grounded so even if you're walking out like with your with your shoes off or you you look around like just standing there in nature with nothing and just looking at trees flowing looking at water moving

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like it helps should lock in and be present um where being present in this day and age is almost impossible for like some people you know you you know for instance my phone's on do not disturb you know if I'm talking to you right now and I can click hear it in my pocket I'm just out of it straight away like not in a bad way but that's just what we've got around us like you know you've got lights you've got cameras you've got phones so when you have none of that and you can actually sit still

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and I'm not just saying be present and just looking at stuff you can actually hear the flow of the water you can feel the Earth moving you can like it's actually ground you in a way and in our culture as well like being being moldy so being married as well it's like for me that was awesome too what I was talking about nature and being in Survivor cuz being in Australia I was I was really distracted and all that sort of stuff and it actually helped me reconnect with that part of me which was

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awesome and did you grow up in Australia or did you grow up grow up in a so I only grew up in New Zealand for a couple years when I was younger okay and then just traveled back and forth but mostly o do you feel like people in New Zealand are more connected with nature typically I would definitely say yeah I would say they would they are because you know there's just there's less population and there's just a lot of like you know in New Zealand a lot of my mates you know they grew up hunting they grow up you

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know fishing all that sort of stuff it's just a more chilled like lifestyle and there's less people there which is good but now New Zealand's a New Zealand's a beautiful place yeah I've only ever seen it from like a window like on a flight to recently we went to bivia and we had to stop in in New Zealand I'm just looking out the window like oh my God this place is gorgeous have you been to New Zealand I that's the only experience I have was looking at the window for like an hour just going wow look at this

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place and but what you said about nature like I connect with that cuz dude like I've got a four-year-old daughter and and a one and a half-year-old son and if I put them in nature they just change like if you if you want to see the impact Nature has on us put a child in nature and just watch how their complete personality changes from you know frustration and anger and distraction to like just Joy like they're just so happy like playing in dirt and throwing rocks and just like looking at the trees and

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it's fascinating and I think for for me it's always been a great way to just get grounded and I heard whim Hoff said you know like we we live in society where we're in rooms and we work in offices and we live in like climate controlled environments but like just being outdoors without much clothing on you can feel the wind you can smell the trees and it just has an insane biological impact on our mind and and our body and like our psychian Rhythm yes right and it's massive bro and and

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and it's like it's a great thing like and it's awesome you're showing and because they are kids too man it's like you're saying you know that's before anything you know they don't have the distractions yet so they're actually being very very Primal in a way where they're running around and they're just enjoying themselves and it's just you know nothing's bothering them it's like you see their faces light up cuz like we try to keep our kids off like technology

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and iPads and phones and stuff and just try to get them Outdoors as much as we can and yeah we literally changes their entire personality yeah that's awesome yeah but the Wim Hoff thing it was interesting because he was saying like you know we we're not used to wind and we're not used to the Sun and we're not used to like these elements that our ancestors grew up with and it was just a part of their everyday life but then when you get exposed to it you think that there's something wrong but your

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body just adjusts and Tunes in did you notice that your body was like changing and and in what kinds of ways energetically or sleepwise or what was the impact of that bro that's a great question like everything changed like it was amazing like the first couple of weeks were were tough but then once everything clicked my seccad in Rhythm was almost perfect like once the once the sun would drop instantly my eyes would start to get heavy fall asleep some would come up straight away like without that drowsiness you just

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straight up our body clock as well so we' cook our rice and be be at sort of similar time in between challenges and stuff so we'd know like our body would start to like get ready for those three meals so it was like sort of clicking into gear when we going to eat here when we going to eat here so yeah my skin cleared up my joints and stuff weren't as sore from rugby like we didn't smell like and there was no deodorant or anything like really all the toxins were gone so there was no you always see the

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comments online about people like they need deodorant all that kind of stuff but you're you're seeing that because you're not putting all these chemicals in your body it's it's a different situation yeah right clean like no pimples nothing like your skin Smooths out my hair was an absolute mess was growing but what it manant it was the clarity like you just said it was the being you know you'd walk down to the river like before you'd go and do anything you jump in there and you sit

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there and just listen to all the birds and like and it's just your mind is so sharp it's amazing because you're focused on one task and there's no distractions you're literally just laser focus like even something like as crazy as M we'll bring it even something is crazy you heard of seaman retention as well yeah yes let's go there man yeah I've heard about it yeah so even even with s retention so obviously being in in Survivor when you're that Focus especially as a guy we're going to talk

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about this like especially as a like a I didn't even think about like sex or anything like I was literally just so focused that all my energy was going everywhere else and I was just laser I was just laser focused like it was just insane like I don't it's hard to explain like yeah try and explain it like do do you think like you were less like focused on like a goal and you were more just present and in feeling your whole body not like chasing girls or what have you well it's one yeah and it's a good

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thing to touch on and that's what I was saying you when you're so as a man when when you're so purposeful and locked into a goal naturally that stuff starts to slow down and I think when in Survivor we didn't even think about it cuz our goal is to win so we just had tunnel vision like we had purpose like our purpose was to win and that's it like at all costs and did you at all costs we're winning me and my cousin so quickly me and my cousin when we before they like he's going to laugh

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this before we got to like the advantages and stuff that happened we were sitting there in like the top six and we were laughing we just we were talking about how we're going to split the money like and we're just laughing going bro what are we going to buy with this like we'll split it halfway like we're that confident just cracking up neck [Music] minute both us get dusted just before the end I'm sorry man all would you would you ever go back oh look man I think it's like there's another side to Survivor

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that don't really that like people probably don't really speak about it takes a toll on people um and like it takes a toll on relationships it takes a toll on you especially like mentally you know you you go before you go on Survivor like you you got all that excitement you're like [ __ ] we're going on Survivor and then you're do the waiting period and you then you get into the game and the game is just you know it depends on the person but the game is just this like it's like this experience

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you can't explain like and then you come off Survivor and you can't speak about it so you're in limbo again and then they show probably 5% of what really happened so you've just come out of this world that's amazing and then they cut it however they want and then all of a sudden you sitting there going that didn't happen that wasn't like that so your experiences was amazing and then you re-watched the show and then everyone's watching the show and then you got people messaging you and you

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should have done this should have done that I'm like I actually [ __ ] did do that like they just didn't show it I was like cuz they they edit a narrative for Ratings right yeah bro you they pretty much say they can they can edit however they want so it's like so you're sitting there and you're watching it you're like oh yeah wait wait wait for this part just doesn't happen cuz it's not in there [ __ ] like you're sitting there like oh man and then just like all of a

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sudden you might like in one episode you might be sitting there like a mute not saying anything and my mate's like but you're usually like loud like why aren you saying anything I'm like I did say something and you're getting frustrated so so it's like it's a really weird feeling cuz you go like this the whole experience from getting casted to then getting on and then you edit and then all that sort of stuff and then you know you your friend said you've got people daming you like getting stuck into and

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she like that was funny though like that was didn't want that that was pretty funny but like yeah so you go through all this waiting process then you're you're dealing with the environment you're going through shortage of food and you're feeling fatigued and lightheaded you're doing all these challenges it's all psychological warfare and do you think like that has a lasting impact on people oh definitely like I think we spoke to a lot of the Survivor guys and everyone said it's got

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a minimum of 12 months before you get out of it really after the show in what way just mentally recovering from it cuzz you like I said you're in this amazing world world you know you are purposeful you're driven like you're no bills no Partners nothing you're just getting after it then you come home and you can't explain what you just went through like there's no way to explain it you just can't unless you go and talk to the other guys so you get then you're around Survivor then you're around all

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the Survivor guys and then when you're around all the Survivor guys you realize people aren't the same because you're on Survivor then when you're in real life it's like you know you're like oh [ __ ] we're actually a little bit different but then it's like so then then then you start to sort of go up and down again and then you just like go through this point where like you come off you're on this huge high and then show comes and then reality just kicks in and you're

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for 10 weeks we had no phones I want to actually bring this up it was crazy we're in the Drew Villa and this is probably the hardest thing like when we're in the Drew Villa and we're finished like all of us were having this amazing chat it's like this we're all talking we know each other everyone's families and stuff like that one the producers brings out our phones and our laptops I'll never forget this moment and it was literally like we just spent 10 weeks together all of us were best

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mes we're talking about how we're going to go on holiday all that sort of stuff producer comes out all our names with all our phones on it 10 of us standing around the table I'll never forget this once once everyone turned their phone on everyone was like just talking for 10 weeks and then just bang straight down all 10 of us even me like all of us were just flicking straight away and we just gone from talking to each other like nonstop for 10 weeks with no distractions to just on the

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phone and then just [ __ ] you could just see for me when I got back to Melbourne cuz we were in lockdown when I left when I got back to Melbourne I was really I was really struggling with crowds like badly really you could be in public in crowds I was going in there but I was getting really like I was struggling with my phone and like all the screens CU we hadn't had any of that for 10 weeks so imagine just being in in the bush just looking at trees and stuff like that then all of a sudden all the

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big Billboards everywhere and like LED lights LED lights air conditioning yeah just life cars mirrors we didn't have we didn't have mirrors we didn't even know we looked like we didn't even know what we l like but it was sick though did ever concern you like I hope I look all right you know people give me some weird looks you know yeah we saw it like yeah I was like [ __ ] like you just but you don't it's crazy though because you actually don't care anymore that's the best part even

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like the girls and stuff like that like they they no one cares like cuz you're Primal and everyone's just surviving no one really cares about how they look anymore like it's just like it's actually that's what I mean it's amazing everyone's just like so vanity just kind of takes a back seat yeah and like things that you use as vices are gone and it's just you're just you well but you got to would you rather care about how you look or getting food yeah you want to get

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food like and it's like the it's like if you go back to ancient time it's like oh you know my hair doesn't look good but there's a [ __ ] saber tooth Target that's about to eat me like who gives a [ __ ] like like you want to surv becomes like like not even a priority at that point like oh I'm getting left on red but there's a big [ __ ] line over there but that that sounds like a lot manly coming back into a [ __ ] like it's just hang on a second just like you know yeah come

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here but sorry man but um no yeah it is it's a it's a lot like that's what people don't get but it it happens to different like happens in different ways like you have psychologist and stuff like that cuz obviously you've gone from the world to a massive look at it like a huge detox but it's not like a detox where you actually can chill you're actually sparking your adrenaline in challenges your cortisol everything so you're actually in proper hunt mode like Primal so when you get back here

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everything hits I felt like it hit me probably 10 times harder screens everything I couldn't like really I was getting over excited so when I started drinking I was like just smashing alcohol and like everything was like hitting me way harder when I got off and I think this is the part where like I don't think I spoke about this too much but I felt like I'd overcorrected in such an amazing way and I wanted to feel like that and then once I got home and I was around old environments and certain things it

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sort of hit me way harder so if I'd have a beer I'd just go and like keep going just cuz I was like couldn't control myself like it was crazy and how long did it take you to kind of like come back to reality and and come to terms with you know being back around technology and you know food and and socializing and all the rest of it I'd probably say I'd actually say probably a year six months to a year because everything accelerates too like your Instagram goes faster you're at

00:35:04 - 00:35:58

Channel 10 events you're at you know you just everything just accelerates so and it takes it's after all those events stop that's when it starts when you start to like sort of come back to to Earth and you really just got to ground yourself with your family and the people that really care about you like your best mates and like you know you got to like remember the guys around you they they're the ones that really help me like a lot of my really good mates my Rugby friends my little brother he's

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like I love him more than anything like he's like my he's he's the best like he's just always there like so it was just connecting back to who I was and connecting back to to my friends it really helped as well and I started seeing a py therapist again as well so just just to sort of get myself back into it and realized that that Journey was gone and now it's time to sort of get back into it like back to reality yeah literally back to reality yeah like you can't live a life like that all the

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time but you wouldn't want to either but sounds like you would be tempted to go back but you not quite sure if you'd want to go through the whole roller coaster again cuz it's not just the show it's the before it's the middle it's the end yeah well it takes its toll like it slows um even momentum so what I'm trying to build now it's just not the time because you know that's my mission's more important the purpose and the mission is more important than going on TV again

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you know leave that for someone else I'd go on SAS though okay yeah so I'd go on SAS like I think SAS is more aline because it's it's team based but it's also what you made of like that's where you I want to see I want to see what I'm made of and so like I guess like one last thing like about Survivor was like during your season you smash it with the physical aspect of the game do you think like having grown up playing rugby like contributed to like how far you got into

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the game or you know even pivoting into what you're doing now yeah definitely man Rugby's just Rugby's one of the greatest sports man like it teaches you a lot about you know respect loyalty teamwork you know hard work resilience being ruthless as well being a gentleman but being a being a gentleman but being a Savage like as being a ruthless gentleman yeah being a ruthless gentleman um but rugby like you know rugby rugby teaches you a lot like I'm very grateful to play for you CU you

00:37:23 - 00:38:11

get humbled in rugby you're not you're never the biggest guy so you are you can do you can smash people but you get smash all the time so I definitely think in Survivor like we didn't have a problem like me and Josh have grown up doing that he does Jiu-Jitsu as well so like for the and we were so lucky for this Survivor there was so many like tackling wrestling challenges so we were like [ __ ] yeah like I did feel sorry for some of the other guys that aren't used to contact because you can just see the

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fear like in their eyes like just use it against them yeah but it's just if you're not used to like it's fair enough if you're not used to contact it's like it' be [ __ ] scary like you'd be scared you got guys like Mark well who makes me look like a kid like I look like a child and then you've got then you got Mick Crocker you're a queen land AR you then you got Mick Crocker who's who's not just an NRL player he's smashes NRL players like he's an NRL enforcer so

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it's like I'm going to have to wrestle this guy so I'm just like [ __ ] like this guy doesn't just like play NRL he kills NRL players like hits them hard like so I was like oh yeah this is going to be hard but yeah definitely it definitely helps cuz yeah if if you're not growing up if you if you don't goow up wrestling or tackling and stuff like that it's but yeah and especially in the challenges too like with the rugby mindset we always knew was team first and like how

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do we get the job done as a team and you know what do we need to do to lead or anything like that that's just the mentality you have in sport what's the best for the tribe and it's just an easy concept it's like the more we jail as a tribe the more we eat food the the least amount of times we have to go to tribal counsil so it's like yeah that's what I was saying I'm like isn't this just obvious guys and people are still trying to come up with conniving plays and [ __ ]

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like that and I'm just like why don't we just win for as long as we can and then we'll just take each other out when we merge like like doesn't that make sense it does man it does like that you know what I mean but then there's always someone that's like I got to make moves I got to make plays it's like all right man go make your moves go make your plays they're trying to do it too early I think yeah and and and one of the one of the things that you mentioned once

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when we're hanging out which was on the show you were always trying to [ __ ] with the camera people you were trying to make them laugh you trying to get them to talk to you what what exactly were you guys doing behind the scenes not much man cuz you was it cuz you were bored like yeah [ __ ] you oh bro we like there was times where it's like you know it's pretty much like this set up here like me and you can talk to each other and then you've got the guys there and it's just like but they can't speak to

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you so when you're like waiting to go and do challenges and stuff like that you've got them sitting there and they're just like they can't look that they producers they can't talk to you so we' just try and guess and we didn't know who they were so we we all of us are sitting there you didn't know their names or anything about them but they're there all day they're all so we'd just be like we'd play games like like I bet I bet you his name's like John John

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looks like he likes margaritas and we try to get them to smile and like he's about 22 played rugby in college I'm like and then all of us would just sort of do stuff like that and try and guess like where they're from and like they were Stone Cold some of them and then we ended up getting real good at it where we found out some of the names and started to crack them and they just start laughing but that's that's they're the only games we could play and then like obviously the camera guys when

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you're doing your your your talking and stuff like that they can't really talk to you either but they would give us [ __ ] too like some of them be like what are you guys having for dinner tonight I'm like [ __ ] off man then you having beans and rice they're taunting you like off and [ __ ] like that the good guys like won't say it was but they're like like we it's cuz we're getting smart to them too yeah yeah you're giving them [ __ ] and they're like we'll give it back

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to them yeah they're like oh what's CU like sometimes you have your [ __ ] rice and beans with you as you're like sitting there and they're like oh that looks [ __ ] good it's Taco Tuesday back where wa I'm like [ __ ] off I don't even know what day it is I was like it's it Tuesday that's diabolical man it's Taco Tuesday back at the camp I was like I was like taco Tuesday isn't it day three we only we don't have dates anymore we' going back to the ancient

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aex or something we've literally just got the Roman hum or something I mean we didn't even know what day it was yeah it's such an alien like concept to be like Starving in front of these camera people that are trying to produce a show and contort The Narrative even though you're having this experience they're trying to produce this and get a reaction were these guys trying to get a rise out of you were they trying to create contention between different people in the tribe and things like that

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no not really like these guys like this stuff was like sort of just a joke I'd be joking with them but in terms of like in terms of some of the chats though like you can see like you know with the game itself like you can see when people's minds start to get a bit cooked you know you do get asked certain questions and stuff like that you just got to be clever in how you answer it it's like when you see guys on maaps where like oh that is not me I didn't say I'm like if you say it they'll use it like it's what

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people need to understand like how how dumb are you like some like a girl in M like oh I can't believe they pained me in that light I'm like you [ __ ] said it on camera like they're going to wrench you they're going to use it so don't say it so like we'd be like getting we were probably I was probably a little bit boring though like at the start to be honest like I I should have just like let loose but I didn't like sort of didn't really want to and then towards the end I did it's like oh so

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what do you think about so and so like they really cooked the challenge for and stuff you know you know she just she tried her best you know that's why we got next week we'll get back to the drawing board and we'll but like political yeah yeah I was always like you can see there the questions though that can ba you and that's when people go off like they get you when you're tired and hungry and frustrated and then like come on give us give us the hits and some guys go off like you can see it and then like and

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then they're just getting rinsed as villains and everything like that but it's like rule number one like if you're going to go on reality TV this is for anyone like this is just advice if you're going to go on reality TV you know whatever you say will get used however you say it they'll cut it however you want like however they want so just like you know just be careful yeah good advice man good advice and so what you're doing now is really fascinating as well because you touched

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on the fact that you're on a bit of a mission and you know you're you're touching quite a few interesting topics that can be seen as polarizing but in many cases like it's needed to be discussed and it's needed to be brought out into the light of day and like for you with everything that's going on in the world like you know we got War we got politics we're coming up to an election in the US and we've got you know change of hands Happening Here in Australia why is it even more critical

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that people turn inwards and prioritize their own well-being and mental Health now more than ever well I think you just you pretty much touched on it there I think it's it's very important now that people you know start to really know themselves and make their own decision you know you know follow their own path turn in wood and do stuff that makes them happy you know you just talked about everything's going on there's Wars there's presidential elections coming up there's

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all this sort of [ __ ] there's all this distraction so I think it's the most important time in human history to really know yourself you know so that you can make the best decision for yourself you can also feel at peace while everything crazy is going on around you I think it's the word you know agency you know have a bit of agency over yourself you know and once you've got agency and you start to really align with yourself a lot of [ __ ] just Falls away anyway like and also you

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start attracting the right things into your life the right people you start prioritizing people like your family your partner and you really lock into what actually matters cuz half of this [ __ ] we got no control over it it's control the controllables the only person we can control is ourselves so I think this is a great time in the next 10 years to really get to know and master yourself cuz mate Wars have been going on for thousands of years politics has been going on for thousands of years

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all this shit's been going on for thousands of years it's going to keep going on for thousands of years but we're not going to live for thousands of years so we might as well [ __ ] Master ourselves while we're here and have a good life you know what I mean like yeah you Mak a good point man and yeah and in many ways it's just like you know this stuff's always been a part of history and you hear people say stuff like you know oh things getting really bad I'm like have

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you read about like the Medieval Age like you know things are okay in most places in the world unfortunately there are places where it's not and you know I think there's there's so much technology and circumstances that are like fighting for your attention yes like we're about social platforms like the one we on like literally engineered algorithmically to keep your attention and to put ads in front of you and I think in in today's modern age like for someone to stay focused and to actually connect with

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nature and to find themselves and have purpose it's probably a hundred maybe a thousand times harder than it is for our ancestors like you said on Survivor you could just click into the environment because you're there it's law of Osmosis I'm here and it's it's it forces you to integrate but to integrate despite everything else I think those that can do it have a substantial advantage over everyone else mate 100% And I think it's it's I think it's it's I reckon it's

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age-based as well you know like a lot of the time it's I think it's you know around our age you know we can sort of snap in as well but like it's the focus level sorry is what you said the ones who can Master it I think there's a stat where I was in a I was in a High School the other day and it's like the average Focus point is 1 minute per age or something like that so a 12-year-old can only focus for 12 minutes or something like that as a teacher telling me something like that so that's the

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average amount of focus now a minute per like whatever age you are which is we'll have to fact check that but there was something like that but like you said but it's also I look at it in a different way as well so depends on how you're using social media as a younger guy cuz what what the difference is as well is obviously there's a lot of things happening and a lot of really bad things but as a young person the opportunity is way bigger than we had like way bigger than our parents had like everyone's

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like oh they bought a house for 200k it's like [ __ ] you know that's the error though like you can make 200k online with your fingers now that's a really good point cuz our parents yeah they couldn't do that they couldn't do that like you know like there's all these memes going around like around how Millennials can't afford to buy a house and all the rest of it and parents could buy buy a house for like $118,000 or or whatever and and those stats are kind of terrifying but to to another point and

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and uh we touched on this in the book actually and it's like you know our parents when they go home they didn't have access to the internet they couldn't have a side hustle not really and it's like well you can open your phone right now and start a business yes at this very second listening to this podcast create an Instagram page give it a name produce content and start selling stuff immediately oh it's and and like you said you can do anything like you said you can start a Shopify store we

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could go and start one right now and then we'd be selling within the next two hours like it's insane like how do you do that like it's just amazing like where you know they they've stuck to the job they've grinded they've hustled to buy that house and obviously now it's grown but it's like you can start stuff that just builds and actually goes we'll go back to what you said with your question now those who can focus in this day and age Domino because the opportunity is huge so the ones that can

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actually hold together find purpose build something they're the ones that go forward so you know that's the percentage you want to look at too you know majority of the percentage is distracted where the other small percentage take the opportunity yeah well if you look at Instagram for example it could be your Vice or it could be your tool to make money yes and I think you know people can look at all this technology and go oh this stuff is horrible but it's like well what are you doing with it yes if you're using it to

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entertain yourself great you know you deserve to do that like in a mon age like kick back you know have a beer have a py Palmer and you know do that but I think like I look at technology I'm like wow what a great way for me to build a business it's all perspective right 100% And now when you talk about the authentic self like how can people find their true authentic self because I think as simple as it sounds it's it's quite profound of for someone to sit there and figure themselves out and we

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I've met billionaires ride down to people that are literally living in their cars and it doesn't doesn't matter what end of the spectrum I've seen like people consistently struggle to find out who they really are man it's a great question because there's a few ways that you can find it it's literally you know you got to figure out what your family values are so what are your family values what are your values you know how have you been raised as well so you know in terms of

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you know what have you learned as a kid like how you've been raised have you been pressure tested or do you purposely pressure test yourself so do you test yourself push yourself out of your comfort zone like and what I mean is you don't have to go and like join the Army or anything like that but it's like go and run a marathon go and do something physically challenging and I'm speaking more towards men on this point now where where men men Thrive when they're battle tested so battle tested or trauma or

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anything like that so we have to go through hard [ __ ] and it's what builds character I would agree I would totally agree yeah yeah the hardest [ __ ] I've ever done in my life I've always finished it despite how hard it was and go that was kind of fun yeah yeah there's something out of it where you're like I don't want to do that again but it was kind of fun okay right let's let's touch on that too and it's like as guys like obviously I work with females but I'm not going to claim

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to be an expert on females like and it's just you know I think that's the way it should be like I'm not in the female mind but as a man I firmly believe you need pain like I know it's I know it's hard to say you need some form of pain because you get then going to realize what you your response to the pain so whether it's trauma response or physical pain is in like not [ __ ] harming yourself but like going like run a marathon train really hard and see where your mind goes

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start to find out who you are like start to figure out what your mind's telling you when you're pushing yourself to these limits um also your response to things that happen to you all that sort of stuff and you know that's how you can really connect to your authentic self the other way as well is just you know test a few things you know like test out what you really like test out things you don't like and then obviously your gut as well you know you got to trust your body like if you if you really are in

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touch with yourself as well and you're around situations you can sort of see like in your gut you can feel things I don't know it's hard to explain so if you know what I'm saying like I know what you saying like I think I think there's those moments where like like you're you're like I feel tired but you're like I know it's cuz I'm eating wrong or I'm staying up late at night you know watching screens or like we kind of very unconsciously very much unconsciously know part of the reason

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why we don't feel great or why we don't feel integrated and you know so for you when it when it when you when you were out on Survivor and your brother said to do like you're being yourself like what did he see what did he experience and and like why do you think it was that you reconnected with your authentic self in a world of pain well I think it was like we can go pretty like you want going to go deep here I think it's like when you like so I lost my dad he committed suicide when

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I was younger and a as a part of that like I didn't really realize obviously it had a huge effect on me but I actually really started to study the effects of not having like when your father's not around for a lot of my life growing up I was doing things for others not for myself like I was people pleasing and I was always trying to like prove myself cuz cuz my dad left in the way he left felt like I wasn't enough like my selfworth was always Under Fire I was insecure and I was like

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I need to keep achieving I need to keep achieving I need to keep achieving but it was never for myself was like to prove myself to either him or to make myself feel worthy so what I was doing on the lead up to survival was like I was still doing all this cool [ __ ] like but a lot of it wasn't for me so I was like really loud or like talk [ __ ] I still talk [ __ ] now but it's like different like back then like I'd talk [ __ ] but I didn't really like it was more hiding like it was me trying to put

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up a front like this good R be all this [ __ ] like and just a young guy because it's just I didn't have my dad to go you're [ __ ] you've been a [ __ ] like like shut up like you know what I mean so I just sort of would be loud and all that sort of stuff and have to say that I was good at rugby or say I was good at things and just like instead of actually like and you know some of my close people like you don't have to just say it man just [ __ ] live your life just do it and I had this belief system

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and I was like if I don't say it I'm not good at it all I have to keep proving myself so when I got to Survivor I didn't say [ __ ] I just did it won challenges did all this cool stuff helped people was being my authentic self like didn't speak nowhere near like I did with that I have a joke around but it was funny like my energy was different and you know we I just win challenges naturally and like just do all this crazy [ __ ] and then just calm like I didn't say as much as I used to

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and then yeah Josh's like man this is you like you're back like you're you're just nice and chilled you're not having to like talk [ __ ] and do all that sort of stuff and felt good cuz it was like you know I'm finally you know back to myself cuz I didn't like being like that like it I just didn't know how to turn it off yeah until I started learning sorry man no I I dude I can relate like you know I I grew up without a father figure my father left when I was just

00:55:24 - 00:56:27

turned three and that's okay man and I I think you know through my youth my mother was very affected by it and she turned to like drug addiction and alcoholism and you know just went through a lot of like domestic violence situations so we would live in cars we would live in tents and you know my one of my earliest memories was growing up and just being essentially in a cracked in and looking around as like passed out naked people everywhere and it was like it's very dark you know and I think even

00:55:56 - 00:56:59

though this stuff is like it sounds horrendous like as as I moved into my youth it came out in weird ways like you were saying like I I felt the the urge to try to Proclaim myself for you know others to accept me and to validate me because I I was struggling to find my own identity in myself from my lack of a father figure and I think you touch on an important point there because if someone's listening to this and you know they have issues in their family or they grow up without a father or mother or

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what have you like it it messes with your identity in many ways because you're like well who am I I didn't have a man in the house to teach me how to be a man or to teach me what was what and I think in my youth it came out as anger and rebellion and then in my early adult life I just felt very lost because I was like what is a man like what is a man meant to be what should a man do like how do I you know how how do how do I really find my place in the world and in in many ways and aspects like a lot of this for me

00:57:00 - 00:58:01

developed a tremendous amount of character and you know now I can walk into a room and I can really interface with people really quickly and like connect with them emotionally on a on a way that kind of most people don't understand because when you grow up in trauma and domestic violence you become very acute to people's actual feelings you can smell [ __ ] like your [ __ ] radar is like through the roof but to you in in in in that childhood having lost your father because that's extremely

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traumatic what what did that do to warp your mind and and how did you start to build yourself back out of that look it went through it was it was phases I guess it was so when it first happened I was obviously five and I I spoke about it on the podcast um just before but what was happening was I actually found my dad so when he committed suicide I actually found him but cuz I was five Jesus Christ man yeah so it's what happened though is so from probably 5 till about 10: I was having a recurring Nightmare and I was having

00:58:09 - 00:59:04

these really bad dreams and I was like I was walking out I can remember bro I remember moment for moment that's so heavy man so I share with you guys but yeah I remember moment for moment like walking down the hallway seeing like feet and stuff like dangling from like the roof and all that sort of stuff phone called to my auntie bro crazy thing I actually just asked my auntie she's 70 now and my family's never really spoken about it so I'm sort of trying to pick up like the pieces and

00:58:36 - 00:59:29

try to get like onto it spoke to my auntie who's 70 now man I said hey a like she's the one that when it all happened I was 5 and she called the house and I was speaking to her on the phone obviously not speaking she's like what's going on and apparently I just said oh Dad's laying down in the backyard or something and then my whole family came in but this was I was five and she started so I asked her this the other day does that make sense what I'm saying like um what's you know I'm

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speaking about this openly with a lot of my speaking AR you know what actually happened like MH and she's like do you really want to know and she just started balling her eyes out like she just started crying and I'm like you know you don't have to talk about it if you don't want to she's like no I want to and I found that it was really sad at that point I'll get back to it because none of our family had spoken about it like you know I'm sort of trying to piece everything together and figure out what

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happened and just see my aunt you know she's held on to that for 30 years is you know that's it's just like you know how drama I'll Circle back to to what you said man because it it ties in you know that's well before we Circle back like what actually happened so with my dad so obviously I don't know the leadup I was really young but you know we were at home me and my little brother and he I'm not sure what he was going through at the time you know was he back in the

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'90s how old was your dad 36 yeah so he was a couple years older than me now yeah I'm 33 33 yeah you 33 yeah so yeah 32 man so way um so back in the 90s you know men just you know they don't they wouldn't have spoke spoken about anything like back in the days like yeah he went to it was just me and my little brother at home we're in Springville which is in Melbourne and this is what I recollect like from the situation I was walking down the hallway and I could see like just just feet and like just dangling

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and then I went out the backyard and you know I was like pulling on his legs and then my auntie called the phone and then I answered and said you know Dad's asleep in the backyard and then all of a sudden family's all in the house we're getting pulled out of the house and that's what I remember man Jesus Christ man and from that it's look it's and then for 10 years after that I was having like a recurring Nightmare and it wasn't until I started asking Mom I'm like Mom why do I keep seeing this what

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is this like yeah the [ __ ] is this and then she told me she was really upset and then you know that's where everything sort of I went down a different way I actually really resented him and I was really angry at the fact that me and my brother were in the house and my little brother Luke and I think that's why me and Luke are so connected too cuz my auntie said I didn't know this part and this part would hit me probably the hardest like I knew Luke was in the house but when my auntie

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opened the door saying like to to let her in apparently my little brother was standing behind me and you know we've always had a bond that's so powerful like so now he was there with me when it was like five and 2 years old so it's like yeah pretty crazy um and yeah man and then it's literally for a long time I didn't even say his name like I was angry I was more Angry my older siblings that knew him you know they upset you know it was his birthday not long ago and it's all

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different now though but I was like [ __ ] how could you do that like I was just so angry totally man I was pissed off I was like you know me and my brother are there and I was just really really angry and upset and you know just just yeah just hated it man like and then then obviously my brother passed away like when I turned 17 after I went through the storm and that was I was going into I was going down a path after both of those where I was like I'm going to die Aran I was like if I don't if I don't stop you

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know mom's going to lose another son and I'm I'm I'm pretty much ready to go I don't give a [ __ ] anymore like I was like [ __ ] this and I was like let's just punch on let's get on the drug let's get on the piss and like let's just end it and I was just going down a path where I was like I don't care anymore and then wasn't until I sort of you know got back into rugby and then literally was like you know I can't do that to my mom you know and I can't also

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throw away you know my brother would give everything to be here and I know my dad you know if he had his time again you know he'd want to be here I've still got my brother I've got my brothers and sisters my mom still loves me know she's and I just said [ __ ] it man let's go and then started started training started playing rugby again psychology reading working and then I still really started to try and dive into it heavily like we spoke about it know Cam and I spoke about it before and I call it like heavy

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accountability responsibility like I was like man you know this has happened but I'm not going to let this Define me like this is going to build me like and then that that's when the shift came where I was like [ __ ] I got through that so just nothing else is going to be worse than that so it's like how do we M how do we weaponize this power this energy yeah it's hard for people to understand that too and and dude thank you so much for sharing that man and and I I think you know the hardest part about it is I

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remember being I I believe I was like I think I was six and I remember coming into this is quite graphic so you know pause it or or leave the podcast here if this makes you uncomfortable um but I remember opening the bathroom door in in like an apartment building we're living in and my mother was in the the bathroom like essentially cutting herself with glass and like all up her arm on both arms like trying trying to yeah trying to trying to self delete and for me as a six-year-old you don't quite comprehend

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what's happening and my mother looked at me and she kind of panicked cuz I don't know why she didn't realize it wasn't in the house or whatever I don't know the circumstances but I remember her looking looking at me and go oh a man attacked me that was her story and I was like there's a man in the house and then I started panicking about that you know so like but then essentially like you know her boyfriend at the time found out and then I remember Medics came to the house

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and we rushed to the hospital and then I think the hospital kind of figured out what was happening and they essentially I ended up in foster care like in and out of foster care for a couple years because of this and I think the event itself from my experience isn't the most traumatic piece it's as you get older you start thinking back that's where it like really [ __ ] you up yeah as the nightmares happen and all the rest of it the reason I'm sharing this with you I think for for people like whatever your

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trauma is like whether it's your experience and and you've lost a loved one or you know you've been through domestic violence what have you like it it builds over time and I think you know it comes out in weird ways your mission now in an interesting way is like how do I use you know my experience and the fact that you've overcome so much and it's remarkable like the fact that you and I are sitting here right now you're building a business we're building a business where we're both incredibly

01:05:33 - 01:06:31

successful in in our own right and in many ways these challenges have built character yes in your life what's your mission and how has this enabled you to to prevent others from going through this experience or or to help others who have had similar experiences build their way out of it it's a great question but bro thank you for um thank you for sharing man like that's a lot like you know I definitely understand the feeling bro when you go back to that moment and you know trauma burns into the brain too

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and it it's still in here man I can still see it and and and it it builds over time yeah it's a weird it's a weird concept and I think for me it's it's always like like okay how how has this gifted me the ability to really empathize with others who've gone through similar things perfect yeah well it's like what you said before it gives you it gives you a skill set that you don't know until you get older where you know you might be I want to ask you a question here like you might be in a

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random room with someone you've never met and they tell you their whole life story some of the deepest things ever and then they'll go man I don't know why I just Shar I haven't told anyone this have you ever had that like and it's like yeah you'll be in like a random place in Europe or in barley or in a bar somewhere and someone would come up and they're like hey man how are you and you're just chatting to them and then they just tell you some of the [ __ ] and they're like bro I've never told anyone

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that they it builds a character it builds an energy and an aura that allows you to serve and that's why some of the most you know some of the best coaches and the best leaders and the best business owners have been through the hardest battles because the empathy you have and compassion that it builds first of all so the mission is you know I don't want people to go through that if there's a blueprint they're still going to go through their challenges but if we can FasTrack that with yeah the years of

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trauma that come afterward right and yeah so so what exactly are you doing and how are you helping people with with the blueprint that you're creating so the what I'm doing now is called mod mentality so I've just Rewritten the pillars now so we work off six pillars it's purpose Mind Body relationships family and finance and what we really do is we go through each pillar so pretty straightforward and we get people able to rate themselves that's the start of it so rate yourself out of the pillars

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and this is actually the most interesting like this when you're looking at it cuz I was chatting the cam before especially the purpose one we start with purpose first cuz you can I've spoken to and same as you me I've spoken to professional sports people business owners and stuff like that it's a weird question to ask someone I love asking people like what's your purpose and then they're like it's like they're turning into a werewolf they're like what's happening to me you know like

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they they're really struggling to answer it's a hard thing to answer dude it is bro but it's like Fair it's like you know they you know you might have the G wagon or something like that and you still go watch your purpose and they're like oh [ __ ] yeah it's like but there's a G wagon sitting there they got the r g wagon the beach house they're like yeah it's a scary question to ask someone because it goes back to like what you've experienced bro and myself you realize

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that you realize there's so many things that are very important when you've witnessed like when you've been through a lot of trauma you then start to really prioritize what's really important and that's why you know that created my purpose which was impact Legacy and family those are the three things I'll go for so how many people can I serve how can I set my family up when I go how can I be the best father when I am a dad because I that's just something that's a

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big purpose of mine to to be what you know to be a really good dad um but sorry I'm going back to what I was saying i' lost track there well I I think let's segue this slightly so so I think you know like why is it that you think when you ask people what's your purpose like why do you start there and why do you think that's such a a difficult question for people to answer well purpose I was speaking to guys as well guys if we just focus on men I guess if we're just focusing on

01:09:35 - 01:10:28

men so like for men we don't have a faction installed purpose and like hear me out here like for females like obviously you've got other purposes but you know when you have children that becomes your mission so it's a natural built-in purpose well I've seen it with my with my partner the second we had the kids she just shifts gears and she's like I got to make sure these things are fed and clothed and they got a rash oh my God or let's rush them the hospital like it's just it's a very much like a

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primal like internal thing that kind of comes out see it firstand yeah but and you see you can talk to it and we see it all the time as well it's like you know it's a lot of times you hear it's like no I don't want to do that but then like you know some will have kids like oh man it's my world like it's just cuz it's just it's like an installed purpose like just doesn't mean you have to do it but you know what I mean like it's just we're the guy we don't have that well

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it's hard to fight nature yeah you know and it's biologically wired into us to kind of operate a certain way not in every case you know I don't want to generalize but I think you know it is there is an instinct an instinctive component there for sure 100% man and that's why with guys that's why guys get shell shocked when you ask them what their purpose is because we're not built with one guys aren't built with a purpose anymore you know how purpose back in the day was you

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know to keep the saber to tigers at Bay and go and get food and go and hunt where now it's like now when you're born it's like I want to make money why what do you want to do with that how are you going to make money or like what is when you like literally you know when you're asking a guy what their purpose is the reason why it's so important is because when you're purposeful and you're on Mission it's what keeps anxiety it's what keeps depression what it's what

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keeps a lot of things at Bay because the mission so much greater than anything that's happening to you like when you can align with your true life's purpose you can have [ __ ] going on around you but that's your North St that you just you set it in your thing man that that's the laser beam like compl like completely different to what you're saying but I actually say once You' have purpose that purpose laser beams through everything yeah and and the concept there is like if you you know let's just

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say we have a certain amount of energy a week and we have a th000 watts of electricity let's just convert it to electricity you can put 1,000 watts of electricity into a light bulb you can light up a room or you can put a th000 watts of electricity into a laser and cut a hole through Steel yeah so many people are trying to live light bulb lives and it's like I think for me like where I'm the happiest is when I'm like chasing the mission you know and and so like someone listening to this right now

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and they're like dude I'm lost I don't know what my mission is where should I start what should I do what what would be your advice first thing i' do is like what brings you Joy so what makes you happy so what's something that lights you up brings you Joy and then I'd go what are you good at what's your skill set so write down something that you're really good at and that you love doing then you'd actually look at your values what's your value system so have a look

01:12:32 - 01:13:27

at your values as well after your skill set and this will start to create alignment and then then you'll actually might go well I'm doing this now and that doesn't actually aim up to anything I've written so I'm [ __ ] well out of alignment pretty straightforward but if you're like you know I love to create content like I love to create content makes me really happy like I love doing it like it's something I'm really good at and you start to go down this list but I'm actually in selling cars then

01:12:59 - 01:13:55

you like start to like Bridge a little bit and then you start to go how can this serve others like you ask yourself another question how can this serve others or make impact and then you start to roll on there's a few other questions you can roll through through but start there like literally start with start with what brings you Joy your values what you're really good at you know strengths and weaknesses and then you know work your way down there like is it bringing you like are you in alignment

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pretty much as well yeah well said man and I think you make some really good points there and it's you know like try to if it's not something that makes you happy and gives you Joy what is it it's a fugazi it's what what do you call it a mirage mirii what is oh it's a mirage man like it's like it's not real like you don't really want it and I think you have to whatever it is you're doing you have to really want it and and I have this concept and it's like what what I kind of theorize is

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compressing time frames so it's like okay cool like maybe it's this thing right maybe it's content creation or or what have you and and if you just go look let me just run at it as hard and as fast as I can and treat it as though it were my mission you know maybe I'll find out that it's also a mirage let's find out quickly so rather than waiting to do the thing for two years do the thing now and then arrive quickly in two months three months go I actually hate this yeah rad you've tested the Mirage

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now go try another one perfect until you can find an oasis well but you you nailed it too though but that's like that's the thing too like it's people have ran from their purpose some people know their purpose but the fear is so great they don't even start that they don't go for it like and that's when it becomes a different conversation where it's like that's where people are so out of alignment too you know they're doing something like [ __ ] but I really want to

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start that thing I really want to start that thing then it gets to 10 years and they still doing the same job and like [ __ ] and they're just miserable it's like like man we don't we've only got one crack at this like is anyone listening to like out there whoever is listening to like what has happened in your life what's happened to mine we got one shot [ __ ] go for it like just [ __ ] let it I might walk down there bro and [ __ ] get hit by a bus who knows yeah [ __ ] it and that's one of the

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things is like obviously I don't want that to happen yeah but always have in the back of your mind did you have a crack yeah like did you really have a go like did you go after things you wanted to do even if you failed you [ __ ] went after it like like no I'm with you man chatting yesterday to to another guy in the Pod and you know we were just saying like man when you finish life finish it like go all out give it everything now there's something that you that you mentioned around this fear

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component and and it's like you're bad in a voice yeah like what do you mean by a bad inner voice how do I know if I've got one and and what can I do to kind of start mitigating it or managing it it's just been aware that everyone has it like from the highest performance to like from the the top line go-getters to millionaires so any if you're on Survivor and a py and a beer shows up the bad in a voice is like yeah the voice is like Get Well goggin calls it the in a [ __ ] doesn't he in [ __ ] in a [ __ ]

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yeah the inner [ __ ] let's just call it the in a [ __ ] just to respect shout out Goggins yeah okay how do I deal with the in a [ __ ] literally like it depends on like the inner [ __ ] all depends on what you're doing really so obviously the inner [ __ ] is going to be in Sor obviously your inner voice is depends on what you're trying to deal with with cuz a lot of the times inner voice will be magnified if you're not congruent so if you're not doing the things well explain congruency because

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it's a that's a complex term so congruency is pretty much just doing the things you say you're going to do so yeah so like if a politician's on stage and they're like we're going to do this for the community but they don't really mean it you can tell they're saying it but they don't you're like I don't believe them yeah congruency is like out of alignment with what what what what you're saying isn't what you're doing yeah so actions yeah so there's a

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there's a thing with with the voice The Voice obviously gets louder if you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing and that's why just say just say you're like all right Sunday night I'm going to write down what I'm going to do for the week I'm going to go to the gym five times a week I'm going to eat clean have a smoothie every day and you know so on so on if you miss like all of those targets you know you're in a you're in a voice I going to say bit

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again but your inner voice will start to kick up a notch like instantly cuz it's like you're the only one that knows you missed it cuz you set the targets so it's like the best way for guys to limit it a little bit is actually set small targets so set little targets and just keep achieving them gradually because what that does is it bu goes the other way it builds selfworth builds a lot more confidence and you start to be proud of yourself which is huge where you're like oh I'm actually having

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little winds here and then it starts to go then it starts to go then it starts to go and that if you can become a man that believes your own word yeah that's a powerful [ __ ] thing and and I think you know you and I can share this in common right for a long time we would just say [ __ ] and not do it because we're like we need to say this to get validation and make sure people love us and people please and all the rest of it but then you don't do all the [ __ ] you said and your self-esteem is like at

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like 3% so how do you start building that self-esteem you're you're saying that like it's all about like start saying and then doing the little things yeah start winning the little battles it's actually very like so self-esteem confidence and selfworth are huge especially for guys like you um guys and girls like it's the same but for guys what we just said then just win the little battles cuz only you know you've lost the battles but and but that's the most important person you might not be

01:18:38 - 01:19:34

conscious of it so how can guys start being conscious of their in a [ __ ] or in a voice and and like because this is important like how do you figure out how to become a man that has esteem has self-confidence has selfworth you've literally the only way to do it is like just Prett pretty much go internal so literally figure out where you're falling short so have a look at where you're falling short have a look at what you're saying to yourself there's a couple of deep ways to go at

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it so give us an example of one so just say you're just say I'm not good enough you're hearing that all the time I'm not good enough where does that come from why are you saying you're not good enough was it when you were five and your mom said that you're not good enough or was it when you were at school and your teacher said you weren't good enough where's the trigger point yeah what point in your life did it start exactly where's the earliest memory what's the earliest memory and

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then you obviously can speak to a professional as well but figure out where it comes from and then once you figure out where it comes from then you have an awareness and you have an acceptance over it so once you accept that you know that's the that's the past but it's not the future yeah there there's a really good book that touches on this have you read NLP demystified no I've done NP though but yeah we'll tag the this this is a mindbending book there's a couple books actually I'll

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give it to to cam our producer behind the scenes here there's a couple books and one of them touches on this this Theory where it's like you know the the way you talk to yourself as an inner dialogue is almost like a computer algorithm and for example let's just say you have an addiction to drinking beer like you did at one point beers and pommies right you get an addiction for beers and pom at one point in your computer code you're like beers py is good you know internally and then you're

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realizing okay but the aftermath of that's not so great like that code results in this uh this outcome yes how can someone kind of like catch those things and then start working on like kind of changing their code like instead of like just going and deleting I love beers and pmies like how do I how do I start catching those codes and realizing I'm out of alignment this actually good this is actually good you brought this question up people need to realize there's two sides of you and you've got

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to accept them both there's the side of you that you know you know gets the job done he's congruent and there's the destructive self-destructive side we all have it yeah so it's actually becoming aware that it's a part of you and accepting that side of you rather than fighting it and burying it yeah don't fight it and bury it cuz what happens when you get told when you're like don't do that don't do that it's what the society does you're like [ __ ] you I'm

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going to go do it like it's just it's like human nature where it's like if you're like oh like you know that's a part of me it doesn't it's but it's not really who I want to be anymore you know it's not really someone that's helping me grow but I'm not ashamed of that side of me because it's actually got me to like that's helped me build character you know it's it's not where I want to go again but that was me you know I did love beers and I did love [ __ ]

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everything you know I still love a beard don't get me wrong but it's it's the connotation it's it's around it's a thought process around the beer it's like yeah it's it's like taking things too far right like social media is fine but too much of it 18 hours a day is a lot [ __ ] that's all yeah don't do that yeah don't do that well yeah it's like you know eight beers or 30 beers is a lot of beers like like but I think it's just having a self-acceptance as well

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cuz if you go too hard to overcorrect and you know becomes a finger pointing thing where it's like oh [ __ ] you're a piece of [ __ ] like you drank too much you've done this it's like oh man like well that's an interesting point right because I I I have friends that are like you know I I have to do the ice bath challenge I have to hit the gym and I have to eat R I have to do this this and this and they're giving themselves like this chore of like things to do before like they start work that day and it's

01:22:28 - 01:23:21

like I get it you want to optimize your health you want to tap into the benefits you want to you know do all these things and it's like well what's what's your opinion on people that are trying to do too much too quickly and and how can you make sure that you start working on yourself in a way that actually has a longlasting result realize that people are different you know like and also what you said work on yourself but you know you can go and do a 10-step routine before you start you know that might not work the

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same for you might not work the same for me so figure out the best process for yourself you know I don't need to do 50 things to wake up I just need to drink some water quick breath meditate cold shower and I'm on like you know that's three things takes me 20 minutes yeah know but I'm not like you know I don't have crystals and candles and [ __ ] like that like it's like you know like you know we're built for w bro I'm not saying with crystals and c and [ __ ] like

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that like but I guess always try to optim I think it's just all kind comes down to you know just trying to optimize yourself for the situation for the day but whatever optimizes you the best and I liked what I like what Alex MOSI and what bed says it depends like you know if you're trying to be you know create Financial Freedom or you're chasing your PS or something like that who the [ __ ] got five hours to do like a 20 Step list before they even start the day it's like do three things and jump onto the

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priority yeah mine like wake up wake up water coffee shower dress you know cuddle my kids wrestle my son and then blast EDM on the way to work yeah that gets me fir up right but that's what I meant that's perfect and and look what you just said then too it's like it's all dependent on the person like the amount of energy and fulfillment you'd get from you know cuddling your kids and then going into the EDM is huge you know yeah I just pick up my one and a half year-old and just throw him on the couch

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for 10 minutes and he loves it yeah and for me like just hanging out the kids gives me a ton of joy and but like I think no matter what it is for for for those listening but it's like I think the important thing is like try try to get dialed in on like okay you said you're going to do something do it y right and then what happens is you're your unconscious mind and even the Dark Side of yourself is like okay cool that that's an a non-negotiable thing that we do now yeah and when you can start

01:24:42 - 01:25:33

training your own mind and your own body to be like oh that's non-negotiable I can't challenge that we're just going to do it no matter what then when you do set your mind to something and declare it like it it's a much higher percentage of that spell being being cost yeah for those Gamers out there so it's almost like when you declare you're going to do something what's the percentage of chance that it's actually going to happen yeah and catching yourself is so important 100% And it's like especially

01:25:08 - 01:25:53

like just do things that are line with you know make sure you're doing things that are pushing you forward you know in align with the vision and just to touch on what you said there too man like a lot of people that you know that are trying to do a lot of like bi all means Ice Bar everything's all amazing like everything they're doing optimizing your especially if you're entrepreneurial like you're like a fighter jet you got to optimize yourself but sometimes you can take it

01:25:30 - 01:26:23

to a point where it's like what we were saying like you optimize yourself and then you get the best task first start hitting that sometimes um optimization or recovery and stuff like that is a form of avoidance from the real task that's that's an interesting point to have in there as well no well said man and and I guess whether we call it the in a [ __ ] or the victim mindset or or what have you like what are some other things that people can do to kind of break out of the cycle and starts

01:25:56 - 01:26:51

hijacking their own minds right just environment's huge you know environment like we're around great people right now so we won't even have those conversations they're not going to come up so like you know and if if they do we can unpack them we can work through them you know environment's massive so you know where are you currently where are you working like training training's man I'd put training up there is number one like everybody can do it um whether you can go to a park and run nature man you

01:26:24 - 01:27:10

know it like just getting Clarity getting off social media social media like you know you're obviously looking at everybody's highlight real so you can like you know sometimes you'll be like you're seen all these movie trailers but maybe the movie is [ __ ] oh bro imagine like you're lay you're laying there you hung over on Sunday you got six chicken nuggets sitting on there you're like some dude's just like climb Mount Everest and you're just like [ __ ] s here

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with my nugs man you're just sitting there gone [Laughter] I swear the the in a [ __ ] is going to be slapping you right then you're going to be feeling the in a [ __ ] that day bro yeah you be like oh man this guy like I think um like I said like movement environment podcasts books you know do things that stimulate your mind like in a good way you know like stimulate the mind but also you've got meditations where you can sit still I think this is a big Point sorry about the inner [ __ ] allocate time to sit

01:27:20 - 01:28:37

with yourself so really sit with yourself and let it flood so you actually need to hear yourself like sit still I think there was a stud here in the US I don't know was 82% of men would rather get tasered than sit alone in a room for 30 minutes and listen to their thoughts I can relate so I think this is a really big one so I agree man for your to actually get over things you got to go through them so and it's like it's always a quote I really love it's like [ __ ] that's powerful man en say that again or

01:27:58 - 01:28:45

there's a quote that I really like it's you can't go around the storm you got to go through it and that's like one of the best quotes ever and then You' you've witnessed it in your life everyone's like witnessed it where it's like we couldn't get around it we had to go through it and go through it within Psychotherapy training whatever it was like really feel it it's the same as the in a [ __ ] you got to actually feel it you got to sit there and listen to

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yourself you know take yourself into those moments silence you're driving in the car don't listen to the radio if you're you've get 20 minutes by yourself you know go sit down in a park you know get some clarity like it's actually and we go back to Survivor it's one of the things Survivor did you know you can sit there and and and it actually goes away man it's actually crazy what goes away like a lot of the selft talk the negative talk like when you're sitting there for so long in

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Silence with no music no distractions you're just like so clear it just filters out to go lucky just filters out yeah the crazy thing too man is I was having like the most amazing dreams like really proper dreams like really optimistic like you just really in flow what kind of dreams were you having well there was like no HEC ones like that but a lot of food dreams like a lot ofies yeah but sandwiches I actually had one about my brother so I didn't I didn't dreamed about my brother in years

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and I actually had a dream with him that I was like we were having a conversation like me and are he was his age like so he was 19 when he passed away and we were just talking and he's just like y I'm really proud of you and I was having a full on chat to him and then I woke up bro and I was like Josh is next to me and I was just [ __ ] boiling my eyes out like I was crying and all the producers were coming and Josh just covered my face CU I was just like full on felt like I was talking to him but I

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hadn't had a dream like that in ages cuz of what we were saying my mind was so flooded with the in a [ __ ] voice the distractions and stuff like that so that is a big think so it was good you brought that up it's sit with yourself like you can you can drown you you can drown it like I said you can overtrain you can overeat you can overindulge in Netflix you can do all that sort of stuff but the real mission is to and you can even sit in groups like I you know I teach groups and stuff like that but what I learned

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is guys you've got to really go to war with yourself as hard as it is you got to sit in a nice quiet place and see what happens see what you're telling yourself yeah it's almost like give yourself the time to integrate exactly bro would you liken it to like bottling up you know trauma emotion XYZ you know and just allowing it to kind of all come out to the surface let it come out are there some techniques people can can Implement to to like either journal or or create this opportunity for themselves what

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would you suggest so what I'd suggest is journaling is the easiest way like I would look at that as like barrier entry and stuff like that like journaling justest a really good way to what your feeling get it out gratitude's unbelievable I know you hear about it all the time people like oh you're wank it actually works man because we we forget there's so many amazing things around us like from electricity in this room to the cameras to just little things we take for granted having shoes

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on like you forget like how amazing Our Lives actually are cuz you're worried about [ __ ] so like which a lot of people are it's like just you know you know what I mean like it's like [ __ ] like we got phone like look at this [ __ ] man crazy this this is nuts what we're going I'm so flat right now I'm so flat right now have you seen I used to have a Tony Robins tape and I play it every day and it was a gratitude tape yeah and I remember it being like you would do this breathing exercise

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where you breathe in one two 3 4 out 2 3 4 so it be and you do that for seven minutes as well yeah you just try to get into a rhythm and then you would just sit in silence and I remember you would be grateful for all the immediate things around you so I'm like grateful for my shoes my clothes my house my air conditioning like just basic [ __ ] and then you spiral outward to bigger and bigger [ __ ] like family and income and like you know so so like is there is there a method that you apply to to make sure you remind

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yourself to say grateful like how do you make sure you kind of like keep coming back to it I try to do it at the same time y so it's more of a Time based thing so before I go to bed it's you know that's a really good tip too before you going to bed because it's the last thing that's on your mind before you go to sleep so you know when people flood themselves with murder shows and all that sort of [ __ ] you know that's like watching the boys at like 11:00 at night it's not a great idea boys is good great

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show but terrible time to watch it Bo is unreal though but you know it's like trying to those those little tips too so I'll go into all the things but sleep as well like sleep but like I was really terrible with sleep but with the Gratitude just try and anchor yourself so we call anchoring it's in the routine so do it at certain points like what you were saying on Survivor you had a Cadian rhythm CU you ate at the same time woke up at the same time everything you had an operating Rhythm to itym but most of

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our everyday lives are so sporadic and random we we can't get into a rhythm entrepreneurs bro you [ __ ] like you know you got to try and hold some form of like especially like with entrepreneurs you just got to hold certain key areas that are non-negotiables obviously your training and then certain things you do cuz you know what our day is like man like yeah what what might some of those be and how how do you help entrepreneurs like stay anchored to to some kind of Rhythm well the the best thing for an entrepreneur

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or anyone who's starting a business is you've really got to take care of yourself on a different level to like someone who's got a 9 to5 or something like that because your days move that fast like you'll get calls from Left Right Center emails whatever or you'll get a [ __ ] idea and you're Off to the Races or like you're just crazy you know what you're just to turn it off your mind's hectic so what you almost have to do is have like an athlete mentality around how you prepare yourself

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like how sharp is your mind how much more are you actually trying to upgrade are you training you doing all the are you doing all the one percentage you can the best does that make sense yeah I would agree with that and I think like something I've started doing recently is saying no to [ __ ] I really want to do yeah and I my mentor was saying to me he's like Steve Jobs used to have a meeting once a week like on a Monday and he bring all his engineers and all these people into his meeting and every

01:34:18 - 01:35:10

meeting he would the first question he'd ask him every meeting is what did you say no to this week and he would anchor it there he's like how Focus are you and and they had to like people have described it described it in like a podcast and stuff they would have to be like okay the meeting's coming up what have I said no to and they're trying to think about things that they've they've you know that might have tried to dissuade them and they focused and I think like you said like

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entrepreneurs typically get ideas a lot and something I noticed at the event that we spoke at a lot of people came up to you and me and said hey I've got a business idea I'm doing this and this and this and this and this and they've got like six things they're trying to do it once what's your advice to someone who's like really ambitious really hungry really wants to make [ __ ] happen but they're they're pulled in six directions well from a lesson of mine do one one of the my advice to any guys

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that are starting out of business whatever is whatever really [ __ ] lights you up but also do one have a crack and just it's okay if you fail it you know just keep going cuz if you would know man you've seen with all the top guys have failed millions of times and then it might take them 10 businesses and they click so have a crack at one you know go after that first and then inyosi says get to the valley of Despair hold on push out of it so like I don't know if you've seen that what have speak yeah

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when things kind to go sideways like hold on like don't don't jump onto the next thing yeah that's one thing that yeah that's probably the best advice like go for one but go heal for leather like get you have a [ __ ] crack like go for that and then like literally stay on it like and it's what and listen to what like listen what danger said as well learn to say no like you know when you when you do have an entrepreneurial mindset you've [ __ ] cooked sometimes it's like oh shiny over there it's like

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you [ __ ] start sprinting over there and then like obviously we're in this field where it's like you know there's opportunities everywhere and then that's when it really comes down to alignment you know we have a great alignment so I'm like [ __ ] yeah man I would love to jump on that podcast there might be podcasts of other guys that talk [ __ ] or something like that I'll be like no like that's but back when I first started I'm like get on every podcast or do everything but then it comes a point of

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like no no there's no alignment there like does that make sense like once you figure out where you're aligned and where you want to go and you like people you really like you know choose make time for the right people as well I think that's a big one make time for the right people um and people that give you the right energy as well so use your energy wisely young entrepreneurs or guys starting a business energy and time is the most valuable currency hell yeah man I feel I'm [ __ ] pumped after

01:37:04 - 01:38:09

this energy and time bro you can't get that money bro we can [ __ ] we can lose money we'll get it back you can't get time and energy back like that's the most important currency well said man now there's a quote of yours and it says you don't need to make Monumental changes just focus on the small winds and stack them them day by day if you stay consistent they will build into big wins ni so taking that Concepts and I guess understanding your mission and everything you're trying to do here how

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do you want to be remembered um you know there's different layers I think with modern mentality like from a business standpoint you know I want to be remembered as you know someone who cared but also probably someone who made an impact to a lot of men's lives and women as well and and just sort of leave yeah leave a legacy around that um and then obviously you know being I would like to leave stuff behind for my future generation you know just to give them a bit of a hand which is my main thing like i' would love to leave

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stuff for my kids and um they've still got to earn [ __ ] like they're not get they're not just going to get gifted [ __ ] but I think like it's like Sha's kids have you heard about that no that Sha's like I'm rich you're not said that yeah that's he says that to his kids all the time apparently that's how it's going to be though he's like just remember you have all this cool stuff but I'm rich and you're not Yeah you sort you sort have to be like

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that otherwi like kids are like cool but um yeah I think there's this really big like like I don't know what it sounds like there's this thing you hear about a lot it's like I think you sort of want to be the one as well in your family that as I touched on before no one's really gone at their trauma in my family no one's really reached certain Heights there don't get me wrong there's a lot of successful people in my family you know in their own right but you know

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you want to sort of be the one the trauma breaker Financial breaker like and not for you it's just be cool to like be able to to be like you've got the skill sets and you've gone through the trials to sort of be able to do it um well sounds you're breaking breaking some Cycles here and and and setting yourself up to to raise a raise a family and to really lead by example man it's powerful and look at you now bro like you're absolutely smashing it we're getting there you're getting there and

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you're smashing it you're on your mission what's a quote or a mantra that you've carried with you on this journey that you wished everyone listening to this would immediately Implement oh that's so many quotes got Alexander the Great gone through the m i got different ones I guess there's a you there's no one's coming to save you which is harsh but it's true know when you think about the moments you just brought up what we've brought up and a lot of the guys you know we have

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to live with those we got to find a way to navigate them so I think n's coming to save you is one like a really big one and I think just one of the easiest is you know time's not infinite so just have a crack it's pretty simple isn't it like 's not at time it's like you know we can we can say some Grazy crazy quotes and mantras but it's like when you lose people when you lose people you realize that a lot of [ __ ] doesn't matter you know a lot of [ __ ] does not matter it's like have fun

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have a crack like [ __ ] go after it like it's just you know people are too serious it's like [ __ ] it's like mate [ __ ] hell like yeah just do it like you know like not KNE but like you know just have a I think I'm going like doing the basic ones but it's like you know you don't have to take things so seriously like just I feel like that that should be your catchphrase on your merch just have a crack oh manate it's I'll have to Chuck one of these but also I think a big one as well so I'm

01:41:09 - 01:42:06

throwing off like a few bangers go for man um just be kind man like be kind it's like I think that navigates what we spoke about with all the [ __ ] going on in the world show compassion show some empathy if someone's not your cup of tea move forward doesn't mean you have to have a crack just going he's probably going through something move forward it's be nice to people yeah people have majority of the people in this world now are going through [ __ ] no one's got to figure it out nobody from the richest

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person in the world to the [ __ ] poorest person to cultures whatever no one's got to figure it out so just show compassion be kind love it man beautiful stuff and when you wake up in the morning what's something that you do to get you fired up um cold shower so I go straight into the cold so cold shower and I've got this Mo do you ever heard of motiversity yeah yeah yeah so I've got my little Bose speaker my shower so I hit whatever new episodes on there and literally just start now do you step in

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the shower and then turn it on or do you turn it on and then step in it I said yeah like wait tillo there two types of men right I turn it I turn it I turn turn it on and then yeah I'll turn on after I get out I think the psychopaths are the ones that get in and then turn it on oh really yeah that to me it seems like for some reason worse because if you turn it on you can figure out the stream and you're like I can see it I can you know let's just jump in oh yeah well it depends mine's cold shower so

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there's no steam so you need effect though wouldn't you so like the guys that turn it on before you they'd have to have the steam in them becomeing I'm not doing that bro yeah what do you think about like going hot and then just flipping it to cold oh bro you straight raw dogger bro cold straight raw dog bro soot cold combo that's just go straight cold bro you got a straight raw dog the cold bro yeah I feel like going hot then Cold's worse though it is that's why you to go

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straight cold do you cold do you have a cold show I just I turn it on cold and I and and then I step in it but then I was like there's guys out there probably that step onto the shower and then turn it on cold oh so you go straight cold yeah so so like so like what do you think is worse like turning like not not being in the shower turning it on cold and watching it watching the cold water come out and then stepping in it or getting in the shower without any flow and then turning that's what you mean

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that's what I meant so that's psychopat [ __ ] that's like no I turn on first is that what you meant that's what I meant cuz it's it's like for some reason I see standing in the shower without any water and then turning cold on I'm like that seems way worse oh it does bro now I know what you mean like if you don't turn the shower on before you go in like you're a psychopath like imagine standing there waiting for the cold it's like [ __ ] like now I can fure some dude going like

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yeah this Cold's going to [ __ ] hit me so hard like just like like now I know what you mean yeah you got to turn it on before you g i are [ __ ] crazy like I don't know what you do yeah like leave a comment if you if you [Laughter] dog if you Ro on dude feels like some Viking [ __ ] like to just to stand under it and turn it on N turn it on before you're going man now I know what you meant I thought you meant like yeah [ __ ] we got we got there we got there it's worse right yeah [ __ ]

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it way worse like that's crazy [ __ ] like just turn it on [ __ ] cool dude so what's a door that you need to kick in right now to go to the next level as an entrepreneur um I think for me it's just now you know I'm at a point now where I've done a lot of work on my internal self so in terms of what we're speaking about and purpose and broken a lot of of limiting beliefs a lot of fear and a lot of patterns environment changes all this different stuff I think for me now it's just

01:45:01 - 01:45:57

about reach engagement now just really sending it like really pushing it like next year's I want to do a lot more speaking a lot more content a lot more work like you know stuff like this connect with great people like yourself man and I think you know Australia in the space we work in you know there's a big need for what you know what we teach and what I'm trying to teach and I don't think there's you know if you look around the world you've got you know your Chris Williams's your mosy bedro so

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M like Australia is not really you know in the in the space there's not really big like you'd be one of the biggest now bro which is great and but we don't have everyone else has huge you know what I mean like speakers and stuff for that and we've got to fly all those guys out like yeah who's going to we want to we want to be the ones getting flying no we're [ __ ] coming for you guys anyone listening to this in the US Australia's coming we're we're not playing small

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anymore and I think I think you're right there man cuz like there's I'm I'm seeing some other dogs come to the surface here and I think there's a bit of a new gen of content creators coming out of Sydney Melbourne Brisbane Gold Coast like we've seen them pop off yeah yeah yeah but I think it's great too man like you know um guys like yourself and you know you get to you you get to connect with the guys that are trying to have a crack and it's unreal to see because we're a different country

01:46:17 - 01:47:04

Australia and New Zealand different it's like you know it is amazing to have these guys come across but it's like you know we know the landscape yeah I think what you're touching on here is I think we have whenever we do like big business events in Australia we have a lot of Americans fly out and sometimes people from like like London or what have you and and typically the Australian landscape and the New Zealand landscape it's it's kind of a it's even though we're still like the West like the

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culture here is very different when it comes to business um I would say generally speaking we're a lot more family Centric we're very protective of our weekends and time off and we also kind of have a somewhat a warped perspective of success and we see it sometimes as people trying to flex or brag yeah whereas I think that's shifting but we do have like tall poppy so if you look that up it's just we seemingly don't like people to do well yeah we want to pull them back down to

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earth yeah [ __ ] that yeah but I think it's changing man I really do oh it's definitely starting to change I think it's because more people are now because of social media and like that you know you can people can be more entrepreneur now cuz there's so many different ways to skin a cat where you're not just stuck in that one thing you can actually build a side business now and stuff like that which is then creating know more confidence more entrepreneurial thinking which is what

01:47:34 - 01:48:23

you just said then it's like get after it it's a bit more of a ruthless mindset where Australia and New Zealand a tall poppy thing that's a that's something I was thinking about the other day where it's like you know you want to just [ __ ] break free from that yeah I've been murdering it very happily does it happen to you a lot I I think like this this is where like I think when when I was working in an employment I got a lot of it and like I I faced a lot of like when I was

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producing content at the start people were like what's the deal with your Instagram what do you mean you're trying to grow a business like it was a lot of like dismissal from people that are also working in different careers and stuff when I started to step into the realm of Entrepreneurship everyone was like hell yeah man keep going like it was almost a totally different culture it's like two c cultures it's like the employee culture and then like the business building culture I'm not saying that's

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the case everywhere but I that was my experience but it's weird when you start to hang around successful people they want you to win exactly that's the difference if they they've been through the ring of fire they've dealt with it and they want others to win BR that's you've nailed that too like that's a good bit of advice to say it's like you know don't don't worry about the opinions of someone you wouldn't ask ADV boss from exactly right if you're trying to build

01:48:42 - 01:49:36

a business stop asking your uncle who drives trucks what what do you think of your of your fashion brands dude where people where can people find you and how can they reach out [ __ ] sorry there something in my coffee this morning guys I apologize yeah how can people get in touch with you man so just just on Instagram at the moment so if you jump on Instagram you can hit the links and stuff like that and we'll put the links in chat yeah but we can check that up and you're we upgrading everything at the moment so new courses

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are coming out so just follow on Instagram and keep up to date and yeah a lot of exciting things coming coming uh in 225 man so and you're you're an absolute Powerhouse man like thank you sharing your story and you know you're you're a lighthouse of of energy and you're guiding people on a path that that they can you know allow themselves to overcome trauma find themselves strengthen their identity and start to build businesses and and do things that they love so for everything you do for

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schools and communities man like tremendous amount of gratitude and and just keep [ __ ] going dude don't stop bro thank you so much and mate same to you bro thank you for having me bro and thank you for sharing like it's actually amazing to hear like your journey your story and like to see you know to meet your team and see everything that you've gone through and what you've achieved bro it's actually [ __ ] inspiring bro so thanks man you actually inspired me a lot man so thank you for having me bro

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